When You Know There Is More: How Brenda Battle Learned to Read the Seasons of Her Career

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In your last role, you were able
to learn new things.

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You were able to make new, build
new relationships, gain new

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wisdom, and all of that.
But in that new leadership role,

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there are new things that I have
to learn, new relationships that

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I have to build, new wisdoms
that I have to gain.

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So what you have to let go of is
this idea that you are the

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expert, you bring in some
expertise, but the reason you're

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in the new role is that they
need you to apply that expertise

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to the new stuff.
And so you can't go in with the

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arrogance of I'm the expert.
Yeah, you are subject matter

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expert.
Yes, that got you there.

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But that's not what's going to
keep you there because you came

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to a new bigger role that you
better get bigger and newer with

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or else you're not going to keep
in the expert.

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What happens when success stops?
Being enough.

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When the title, the respect, the
achievements still leave you

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wondering, is this all there is?
In this episode, Brenda Battle

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reveals how to recognize that
whisper, the one that tells you

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it's time to let go of what got
you here so you can grow into

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what's next.
Hello everybody, thank you for

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joining us today.
We are super duper excited about

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today's podcast because I don't
know about anybody else, but I'm

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looking for my life to be
changed.

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This is a monumental moment for
us.

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Brenda, I don't know if you know
this or not, but you are the

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first woman to be a guest on
leadership sovereignty.

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And just let me just set the let
me just set the, let me set the

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foundation for that, right?
When Ralph and I first set out

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to this, right, You know, in the
rooms that we're in, we realized

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they're not a lot of guys that
look like us in these rooms.

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And we stumbled, ran in the
brick walls, ran in the glass

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doors that we didn't.
Glass ceilings.

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All these things, right?
And so our goal was, hey, you

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know, we've been talking for
years, let's write a book.

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And then we were just out
getting coffee one day and we

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were like, hey, let's, let's do
a podcast.

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And so we were like, hey, let's
talk to the brothers and let's

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share with them our experiences.
Well, on this journey, our

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audience started to expand and
we started to get feedback and

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really what we learned and you
know, this leadership is for

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everybody, right?
Regardless of who you're

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targeting.
Look, when it's it's a universal

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language and the principles
apply to everyone.

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And so you know, we've got great
feedback.

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So thank you for being our guest
today.

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Happy to be the inaugural female
on the show.

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Happy to be on the show.
So it's not the first time I was

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the inaugural female.
You're not looking full of

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color.
History repeats itself.

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History repeats itself.
I heard someone say that and

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this really touched me and I'm
sure we'll we'll expound on

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this.
But he said, he said he doesn't

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repeat itself, but it does
rhyme.

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I'm like, oh, that is.
Great.

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Yes, it sure does.
And so we want to make sure that

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the way we're rhyming, right and
flowing is going to help, you

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know, help us help others and,
you know, just movement society

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along, right?
So we can be better.

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We can be better.
I'm just going to say that.

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And so that topic today, though,
is I love this and the book that

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we're going to be talking about.
I've referenced it before

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because I'm like my mentor.
That's another thing that makes

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this special, right?
Brenda mentored me, still

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mentors me and where I am today
is attributed to a lot of what

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she shared with me.
Some, you know, a mentor is

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going to give you some hard
lessons, man, you got to have

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got to have to have some, you
know, get those emotions off

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those sleeves.
Right.

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Right, and I appreciated that,
right?

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Because when someone talks to
you in love, yes, it will, It

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will, it can be received and it
will change you.

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So again, what we want to talk
about today though, is today

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what when you get to that point,
right?

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When you hear that quiet whisper
that says can do more, there's

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more for you to do.
That's the topic of discussion

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today.
That inner voice where you are

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like I'm, I'm good at what I'm
doing now, but should I be doing

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something different?
Should I be doing more?

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Am I comfortable?
So, so Brenda, I guess the you

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know, for you, how does that you
know, when you hear that, you

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know, what does that do or what,
how did you get to that point?

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Right?
What was it for you that when

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you realized, and I got a story
around that too, right?

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Because there's so many
intersections here I can't wait

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to share.
But how did you you know?

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How did How did that happen for
you?

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Yeah, You know, like all my
career at least.

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And I and I would say some part
aspects of just life in general,

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the need to do more was always
kind of this inner feeling.

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Sometimes I got to where I felt
like I did as much as I could do

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in certain places and it was
time to move on.

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You know, sometimes I got
invited by people to come and do

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other things, but sometimes it
was just an auction in my spirit

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and, and, and and in that I
didn't always know what the more

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was all that had to be revealed
in some way or the other, some

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way or the other, But I always
felt it in my spirit.

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I always felt I always knew when
the chapter was closing.

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A friend of mine few years ago.
We worked together several years

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ago before I, I came to use
University of Chicago said to

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me, reminded me that a year
before I left that organization,

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I told her in another year I'm
not going to be here now.

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I had nothing planned to do.
I wasn't looking for a job.

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And I don't even know at the
moment why I said that.

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I just felt in my spirit that I
wasn't going to be there, that I

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was getting to a point that I
just needed more that that that

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it was time to move on.
And sure enough, almost a year

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to the date, I was invited to
come to University of Chicago

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Medicine to do the more there.
So it's always been kind of an

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auction that it's time to move
on, that you did you, you

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finished the chapter, you close
the book, it's time to go on and

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do the next thing.
Sure, sure that is.

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And so I don't I don't want to
skip this, right.

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So Brenda, you are an amazing
person on so many levels and

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just want to give the audience,
you know, just a few of the

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things that you've done.
You know, of course, see

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sweeter, right National
HealthEquity leader, man, I, I

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love this part here, right,
because we all know that the

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Bible says money answered with
all things over 200 million

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raised for community health
initiatives.

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Now listen to I want to say this
too.

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We reference the Bible here,
right?

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So if if, if you know that we
don't separate, you know, good.

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That's the only way I operate
because that is by my faith that

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I've been able to do what God
has allowed me to do.

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That's awesome and then great
and that leads us to man

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lifetime achievement award man,
an advisor, a global speaker.

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We just we want to dig into all
of that and understand how those

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experiences have changed you,
how being in those rooms

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speaking, you know, with man,
I'm sure you've been in a room

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and you look and go.
That's so and so, yes.

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And I'm and I'm right there with
them, yeah.

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Right.
And I got nervous for the moment

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and then prayed my security,
saying, Lord, help me to do what

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you sent me here to do.
Yes, that is this amazing.

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That is amazing.
So let's, let's dig, let's dig a

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little bit into the next level,
right?

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Scott Evelyn, he's he's the
author of that book and he says

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that leaders must let go of what
got them there.

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Kind of kind of dig into that,
right?

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Because you had done, especially
after you've accomplished

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things, right?
How do you, what do you let go?

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What do you hold on to?
What do you, you know, how do

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you revisit those stories,
right?

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To build a platform to move you
to the next level, kind of share

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with that, because I'm sure we
have.

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And, and here's what makes this
this session amazing as well,

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right?
Because you know, we want you to

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speak to the person who is, you
know, they've been an executive

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leader for 10-15 years, right?
And you know, they're, you know,

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you get, I don't want to say
comfortable, but you know what

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you're doing, right?
You're the expert, right?

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How do you ask this question?
How do you deal with yourself

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when you know you're the expert?
Yeah.

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Well, so in leadership, every
new leadership responsibility is

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a new job.
It's a new responsibility.

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So what happens is in your last
role, you were able to learn new

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things, you were able to make
new, build new relationships,

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gain new wisdom and all of that.
It becomes like a stacking.

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And that's how I've seen it all
my career, that these things

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stacked up for me so that I can
take them into the next

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leadership role, but not rely on
them completely.

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Because in that new leadership
role, there are new things that

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I have to learn, new
relationships that I have to

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build, new wisdoms that I have
to gain.

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And I can leverage the stacking
of what I learned before.

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But I better be ready to realize
that it's not that that you have

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to depend on you have to depend
on being ready for the new

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things that you have to do in
that new role.

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So what you have to let go of is
this idea that you are the

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expert, You're the expert.
You bring in some expertise, but

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the reason you're in the new
role is that they need you to

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apply that expertise to the new
stuff.

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So you can do new stuff and be
grain new ex greater expertise.

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And so you can't go in with the
arrogance of I'm the expert.

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You are subject matter expert,
Yes, that got you there.

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But that's not what's going to
keep you there because you came

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to a new bigger role that you
better get bigger and newer with

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or else you're not going to keep
in the expert.

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So that's.
Got to let go of.

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Yeah.
You got to make sure you cut.

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Cut that one man.
You got to get bigger and

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better.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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absolutely.
Follow up question on that.

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At what point in your career did
you was the aha moment that what

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got me here is not going to make
me successful in this role and

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that I have to go into this
looking for the things that I

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need to learn and accelerate my
learning so that I can compete

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at the highest level?
You know, like God has always

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placed me into these new roles
that I didn't do before.

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Like I didn't do that before
when I when I went over to a

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Barnes Church hospital in Saint
Louis, I have not done.

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I went over there to stand up
there center focusing on

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reducing health disparities and
creating creating a more diverse

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and inclusive.
I'd never done that.

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Now I'd never done it formally.
You did some of that as a

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leader.
You know, you're you're

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advocating for others, you're
advocating for marginalized

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populations.
You're doing all of that, but

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you hadn't done it formally.
So I'd never done that job

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before.
So I think, OK, Lord, I've got

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some skills I'm going to take in
here, but I never did this job,

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didn't do this job before
actually formally.

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So I had to learn to do that
job.

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And So what was humbling about
that experience is I had to go

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and learn how to do that
specific work from folks that

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weren't in the industry that I
was in, who had been doing it

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longer than me, and bring it in
with the experience that I had

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in the healthcare industry and
shape that for that industry.

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Then I left there and came to
you Chicago Medicine, and took

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over Michelle Obama's role.
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I hadn't done that either, not
fully.

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I've done aspects of it, but not
all of it.

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And then I had to like, and this
is where, you know, raising

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money and and all of that.
I hadn't done that.

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God had to like plant me in
places.

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It's very humbling when he does
this where you don't know, oh,

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you don't have all the skills
that it takes to do the job.

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You have some skills.
How the way can we?

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Can we just let's focus there
for a little bit because I think

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as and that and I want to, I
want to kind of get really

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specific on that.
I believe we have a double

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whammy when it comes to that as
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And so can we just dig into that
a little bit because you always

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have that little thing saying,
do they really?

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Do they trust me?
Yeah, You know, do I trust you

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have?
A little bit of sleep pastor

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syndrome, too.
Yeah.

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Wondering is am I really the
one, You know, you start

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sometimes questioning yourself,
am I the one that ought to be

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doing this?
Which is I'm so glad that I I'm

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a person of faith because you
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When I asked myself that God
answers that for me, I sent you

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there.
Yeah, you're the one.

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Quit asking that.
You know, of course.

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What?
I'm glad you said that, right?

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So I told Shamika Ralph, I said,
Shamika, we need to do, we need

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to do us because I walk with
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So we'll talk.
I'm like, honey, we, you know,

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we may have to start
broadcasting.

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I'll walk and talk because she
said, because we were talking,

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right?
And I said, you know, over these

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last 10 years that I've been in
Houston, the only thing that

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doesn't change are our
principles, but our practices

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and our preferences are minimal.
Absolutely adaptable.

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You have to be able to.
It's adaptable.

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That's a better word.
Yeah, yeah.

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That's good, that's good, that's
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You got to have some wisdom and
you have to have some

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experience.
And I'm going to harp on the

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word humility.
You've got to have some humility

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because sometimes the wisdom
doesn't come from you and your

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experience.
It has to come from other folks,

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mentors and other people who
don't know.

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And so your ability to adapt
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makes you have to go out and
find somebody and listen and

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learn and then adapt.
Interesting.

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That's that's good.
That's good.

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So so I love the the piece that
you talked about moving into

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spaces that you may not have
already had the familiarity

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with, but there's a reason why
you know, outside of God opening

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the door, right?
There's a reason why people are

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attracted to you and make you or
make you available, or we want

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you to be available for these
opportunities, right?

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Can you talk a little bit about
the human connection that you

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have to really develop as a as a
leader that could open up those

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doors like that?
Yeah, yeah.

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You know, this thing about not
burning bridges is a real deal.

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Doesn't mean that you don't
stand up.

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You know, if somebody is like
being unjust, it doesn't mean

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you don't correct when people
are not right.

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It doesn't mean you do that.
But you can do that in

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relationship with people.
And so this this what what

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happens is people get a tract it
to your consistency in the

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relationship and that
consistency that you display,

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regardless of how you know what
you have to do in that

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relationship.
That's what tracks people to

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you.
That's what says that's the

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person who I want to come and do
this because the one thing that

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person is is consistent.
I know I can trust that person

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and I know that person is
experienced and skilled and can

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do these things.
It doesn't matter they they

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can't do everything.
They know you're able.

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You have enough in your in your
in your toolkit to be able to

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execute on what it is that they
have asked you to come for.

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But you've got to be a
relationship through consistency

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and trust.
That's good.

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That's the problem, that is.
So, so let me, let me, let me

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just throw a story on there,
right?

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And this, I can't make this up.
I cannot make this up.

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So we had been living here in
Houston maybe three years maybe.

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And so we get a new neighbor,
right?

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And so they have a couple
daughters.

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So my daughter's excited about
it because we're like, all

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right, girls in the
neighborhood.

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So of course we go down and
introduce ourselves and the

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young lady was like, yeah, I
moved.

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I moved from Chicago.
I'm like, really.

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I'm like, okay, I got, I said my
mentor lives in Chicago and I

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said, I said she works at the
University of, you know, Chicago

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missing.
She was like, I worked there.

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I'm like, really?
I said, do you know Brenda

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Battle?
She was like, yes, I love

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Brenda.
She is.

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So I'm like, OK, I can't make
this up.

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So you're consistently it it
travel travel to Houston.

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Thank.
You for that, yes.

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Yeah, that is.
So important.

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That's a real story, guys.
Like, I'm not kidding.

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That's a real story.
That's awesome.

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That's awesome.
That's awesome.

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Was there, was there a question?
Was there ever a moment for you,

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even in success, that you felt
like, you know what I I have

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just done everything I need to
do here, right?

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I always talk about seasons,
right?

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A season has a beginning and a
season has an end.

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And the ability to understand
the difference between the two

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is what defines a person being
successful because it's, you

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know, it's I won't say it's sad,
but it's heartbreaking to see.

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And Terry and I have worked with
people in this position where,

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you know, that they've passed
their season.

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They should have left a long
time ago.

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And now they're in an element
that doesn't even make sense for

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them anymore.
Can you just kind of talk about

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that, that inner sensing of
knowing, OK, this is the

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beginning.
It's time to go hard.

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OK, I think it's it's time for
me to, you know, to to hand the

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reins over to somebody else
because the seasons is in.

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You know, interesting, when I
made the decision to retire,

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that was one of the things that
that actually was a, a, a

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deciding factor for me.
I felt like I had done all that

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I could do.
I felt like there was another

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level for the organization to go
to and I didn't have the energy

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or desire to do it.
My season was up.

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